Noted attorney Harvey Silverglate joins Greg Kelly in a winding and fascinating conversation. Silverglate is representing John Eastman, the man accused of providing President Trump with illegal advice regarding challenging the outcome of the 2020 election in Georgia.

But this conversation also touches on Silverglate’s career and notable clients such as convicted murderer Jeffrey MacDonald, his own personal and legal philosophy, and why robust debate is a lost artform in modern-day polarized America. That two men like Kelly and the classically liberal Silverglate can sit down and have a nuanced conversation about freedom and civil liberty is a very rare thing, and something the pair also discuss.

The conversation ends with a discussion of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, the blanket label for a gambit of social reforms hitting college campuses across the country. Silverglate says these so-called DEI initiatives are turning off scholars on both the left and the right for their hampering of academic freedom.